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I had very subpar grades and still ended up with a big law job. I can't say for sure that the journal helped, but I know my grades sure didn't. I think firms care that you do something, whether it's a journal or moot court or pro bono work. I guess we can agree to disagree. :)

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3:01

I know this is no longer useful advice, but in cas...

2010-03-13T00:40:36.797-05:00

I know this is no longer useful advice, but in case anyone in the future is reading this, I say, why not try to write onto law review? This post implies you shouldn't even try. SOMEONE'S got to write on every year, and it might as well be you. Try your hardest on the essay. Game plan: Friday afternoon and evening = edit (correct as many mistakes as possible and call attention to any ambiguities), Saturday = read the entire packet, Sunday = write 10 page paper, and don't go to bed until you are done. Stay up 24 hours if necessary. Don't be that person who cracks open a beer and calls it quits at 11pm Sunday night. It's totally false that VaSE gets as much respect as Law and Politics or Tax Review. Might as well put in that extra effort with the writing portion and roll the dice on law review instead of just giving up.

Also, consider alumni base when picking your journal. Many interviewers were on the longstanding journals (Tax, VJIL, etc.). Newer journals are less likely to have alumni interviewing you; hence you are less likely to connect on that front. If you can't get onto law review, pick something that has money, connections, and alumni.

3:01, I'm assuming you just finished try-outs ...

2010-03-12T10:23:10.813-05:00

3:01, I'm assuming you just finished try-outs so it makes you feel better to think that firms use journals as a "screening tool" as a way to justify you ruining a weekend. Sorry, you are totally wrong. No firm, BigLaw or not, cares at all. It would be comparable to the admissions office looking at which intramural sports you played in undergrad as a "screening tool" for admissions to UVA Law.

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2010-03-11T15:01:36.319-05:00

10:45,

I'm sure the things you mentioned did help you a lot, but maybe you wouldn't have gotten the interviews in the first place without the journals. I think it's more of a screening tool than anything else that they check off as they sift through the resumes.

"Students without journal experience who land...

2010-03-10T22:45:30.961-05:00

"Students without journal experience who land multiple offers in major markets are definitely the exception and not the rule. 7:21 probably just interviewed with the local legal aid office."

to clarify, 10:18 -- that earlier post did not say dont ever do a journal, it just said do one that you might like as opposed to the bullshit prestige.

And I also was not ever once asked about my journal. And I got almost all offers at real biglaw. The reasons were: strong interview skills, good (but sure not LR) grades, excellent undergrad (I have never seen a journal certificate in a partner's office, but I have seen a college diplomas), and real work experience. All of those things crush any law school activity (LR not included, as that is basically an affirmation of grades) by a mile

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2010-03-10T17:55:17.979-05:00

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It only gets worse you nancies so drop out and go ...

2010-03-09T21:08:15.311-05:00

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re: ass bleeding / worst experience: I agree compl...

2010-03-09T21:00:27.964-05:00

re: ass bleeding / worst experience: I agree completely. Ugh. That was terrible.

Va. J. Crim. L. FTW!

2010-03-09T19:14:44.626-05:00

Va. J. Crim. L. FTW!

The secondary journal argument (valuable vs. usele...

2010-03-09T18:47:06.389-05:00

The secondary journal argument (valuable vs. useless, differentiated between journals or not, etc.) misses the point: in this economy, do you really want to bet on the fact that it won't matter? Go for the most prestigious journal or a journal that links to other interests/jobs on your resume - because on the off chance that it does matter, you want to have done everything you could to make you the most attractive candidate possible. Being on a journal may or may not help you, but it definitely won't hurt you...

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2010-03-09T16:52:39.082-05:00

That was the worst experience of my entire life.

The secondary journal you're on may matter in ...

2010-03-09T14:12:22.675-05:00

The secondary journal you're on may matter in rare circumstances. I had an interview with a boutique tax firm and they asked about my experiences on the Tax Review - maybe it also helped me get the interview.

No one is going to hire you solely because you did a journal or Moot Court but I do think they make someone who already has a solid background stand out that much more.

^ My ass is literally bleeding.

2010-03-08T10:50:54.638-05:00

^ My ass is literally bleeding.

How was it 1Ls? Actually, don't answer that -...

2010-03-08T10:29:04.275-05:00

How was it 1Ls? Actually, don't answer that - go drink a 6 pack and pass out for the afternoon.

No one, I repeat no one, with a say in hiring will...

2010-03-08T00:13:50.164-05:00

No one, I repeat no one, with a say in hiring will check the ranking of your secondary journal, and compare it to others at your school.

Secondary journal will help only if an alum of a secondary journal as delusional as 10:14 happens to have a strong say in whether you get hired.

10:14, lol, VJIL4life! It's almost as good a...

2010-03-07T13:10:50.358-05:00

10:14,

lol, VJIL4life! It's almost as good as VLR, I swear! Waaah, Waaah, I didn't make law review so I'm going to delude myself into thinking that my journal matters!

The 2nd best joke in this article is that employer...

2010-03-07T10:14:28.434-05:00

The 2nd best joke in this article is that employers don't see any difference between the journals at UVa. Alumni, the people most likely to be interviewing at OGIs, know the standing of each journal, and they know which ones require some work and which ones are basically a joke. Journals are also ranked, and those rankings can be found easily online; do you think employers are really going to ignore that information, especially in today's market?

Students without journal experience who land multiple offers in major markets are definitely the exception and not the rule. 7:21 probably just interviewed with the local legal aid office.

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2010-03-06T12:32:53.458-05:00

To echo 7:21: I'm a VJILite too, and literally nobody asked about it. I think it would have been nice to interview with VJIL alums, but I think this further speaks to what a random process OGI actually is.

Uh, did anyone miss the REAL joke of the post? Th...

2010-03-05T21:36:26.074-05:00

Uh, did anyone miss the REAL joke of the post? That moot court actually matters come time for OGI.

No one will be impressed if they just see "moot court" with nothing else by it-- especially UVa grads who know the timing of the competition.

About journals, I think if you have decent grades, are active in law school in other ways, and have some work experience it just isn't going to matter. You just don't want to be that kid with nothing but "moot court" in the "UVA Law" section of her otherwise "I interned some summers in college" resume come fall. Do a pro bono project. Join a board of a student org. Sign up for a clinic next year. RA for a professor. If you didn't do any of that, then do a journal.

But of course, go balls out this weekend for the tryout-- LR is worth it even if you aren't interested in the journal experience.

I'm on VJIL and no one has ever asked me about...

2010-03-05T19:21:36.545-05:00

I'm on VJIL and no one has ever asked me about it in interviews or otherwise and I dont think it had much value or helped me land my job.

just sign up for whatever journal

Or no journal at all -- the employers dont really care

1:53 is dead on. UVA alums do know the difference ...

2010-03-05T17:14:17.767-05:00

1:53 is dead on. UVA alums do know the difference between secondary journals. Somebody who did not go to UVA Law will probably view all secondary journals the same, but every alum I've talked to about journals, during OGIs or otherwise, knows whats what.

I'm a VJIL alum ('03) and can say that VJI...

2010-03-05T17:09:38.581-05:00

I'm a VJIL alum ('03) and can say that VJIL is a great journal with a really strong alum network. I am pretty sure that this helped me get the edge for a biglaw job in New York, and also helped when I ultimately went in-house and ran into other alums. Not all journals are created equal. It's all about who you know, and the gunners who sign up to do extra cite checks and write a note today are the partners and GCs who are interviewing you tomorrow.

Oh yeah, and get good grades.